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Take It or Leave It Challenge - October 2023 - Page 1

1SqueakyChu
Sep 26, 9:21 pm

For those new to this challenge: More info and monthly index can be found in post #1 of this thread or this TIOLI FAQS wiki.


...logo by cyderry

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Your TIOLI challenge for October, 2023, is to...

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Read a book with the number of title letters divisible by 5

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Rules:

1. Subtitles do not count.
2. Numerals do not count (although your title may include numerals).
3. Punctuation does not count.

Go for it...Now!

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Other Fun Stuff (not part of the TIOLI challenge):
1. FAMeulstee's 2023 TIOLI Sweeplette Meter
2. FAMeulstee's Our TIOLI Sweeps
3. Morphidae's List of Previous TIOLI Challenges (2010-2016) - A reference (Do a control-F scan) to avoid repeating a previous challenge. If your idea is similar to a previous challenge, make it unique by adding a new "twist" to it.
4. The October 2023 TIOLI Meter - Optional page on which you may track your TIOLI reading. Not competitive--- just fun!

2SqueakyChu
Edited: Oct 5, 4:28 pm

Index of Challenges:

Challenges #1-6
1. Read a book with the number of title letters divisible by 5 - msg #1
2. Read a book whose title or subtitle includes the word “devil” or one of its synonyms - msg #3
3. Read a book by or about someone who died on or after February 29, 2020 - msg #4
4. Read a book that has a title word that starts with an O, an N or a D (October,November & December) - msg #5
5. Read a book with a word in the title that can refer to a non-written art - msg #6
6. Read a short story or collection of short stories with a supernatural theme - msg #7

Challenges #7-12
7. Read a book where adding or removing a letter makes a new title - msg #13
8. Read a book where the main character performs one of the top 10 most popular Halloween activities - msg #14
9. Read a book with a title containing at least 2 of the following - a religious title, a royal title, and/or a political title - msg #18
10. Read a book by an author you've read at least three books by in the past, but none so far in 2023 - msg #30
11. Read a book with 300 pages or more - msg #32
12. Read a book that qualifies as a "saga" - msg #35

Challenges #13-14
13. Read a book with a family connection - msg #39
14. Read a book narrated by a woman with a reference to a female character in the title - msg #43

Hold your challenge until the TIOLI challenge is posted for November, 2023. Thank you!

3dallenbaugh
Sep 26, 9:40 pm

Challenge #2: Read a book whose title or subtitle includes the word “devil” or one of its synonyms

Please only use synonyms from the following list: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/devil

If you just can’t find a book to fit this challenge you can use “hell” or one of its synonyms as an alternative choice.

Please only use synonyms for this second choice from the following list: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/hell

A Halloween challenge for October

4lindapanzo
Sep 26, 9:58 pm

Challenge #3: Read a book by or about someone who died on or after February 29, 2020

If possible, please specify the month and year the book's author or subject died.

I chose this date because it was the date the first death by COVID-19 was reported in the U.S., though it turns out that someone died earlier that month.

Note that the book author or subject does not need to have died from COVID, just that they died during the period from February 29, 2020 to the present.

5DeltaQueen50
Sep 26, 10:38 pm

Challenge #4: To kick off the last quarter of 2023, read a book that has a title word that starts with an O, an N or a D (October, November & December)

6quondame
Edited: Sep 26, 10:45 pm

Challenge #5: Read a book with a word in the title that can refer to a non-written art

Painting, drawing, photography, pirography, ceramics, knitting, cooking, mime, dance, music but not written or theater arts.

7lyzard
Edited: Sep 27, 12:48 am

Challenge #6:

Read a short story or collection of short stories with a supernatural theme


If you are reading a collection, the entire volume need not deal with the supernatural, but at least 50% of the stories should. The collection can be by one author or an anthology.

I'm fairly flexible on the definition of "supernatural" (monsters, ghosts, psychic phenomena, any inexplicable event) but neither science fiction nor non-real-world fantasy qualify. Please ask if you're not sure.

I'm also flexible on the definition of "short story": any work that you do not consider novel-length is fine.

8lyzard
Sep 27, 12:30 am

>4 lindapanzo:

If a book has joint authors, does it qualify if one of them died after that date?

9DeltaQueen50
Sep 27, 1:02 am

>8 lyzard: Good question. I added Roseanna as Maj Sjowall passed away in 2020 even though her writing partner died in 1975 so I need to know Linda's thoughts on this as well.

10lindapanzo
Sep 27, 1:09 am

>8 lyzard: >9 DeltaQueen50: sure, that’s fine if one of the authors died after 2/29/20.

11SqueakyChu
Sep 27, 1:10 am

Oooh! Fahrenheit 451 would be a great book to share with DeltaQueen for my challenge #1. Banned Book Week is the first week of October!

12quondame
Sep 27, 1:28 am

>7 lyzard: Would a fictional city otherwise in "our" world but with fae, ghosts, goblins be acceptable?

13Helenliz
Sep 27, 2:11 am

This one is in honour of a current quiz show favourite. Richard Osman's House of Games is a quiz show where each round is different. There are two rounds that are related that my challenge draws upon.

The first is Hose of Games, where they take a TV show, book or film and remove a letter, the contestants have to guess the new show from a synopsis.
The second is House of Gamers where they take a TV show, book or film and add a letter, the contestants have to guess the new show from a synopsis.

Challenge #7: Read a book where adding or removing a letter makes a new title.

In that spirit, you need to take your title and either add or take away a single letter to form a new title. I will offer kudos for those who offer a brief synopsis of your new book's title. Just adding a s and making a plural is allowable, but I would hope you can rise above that in your levels of inventiveness.

Examples:
Last month I read:
Sprig Muslin. I could add a letter and make Spring Muslin. (flowered light material early in the year)
Fen Bog and Swamp I could add a letter and make Fen Blog and Swamp (three soggy places, one an aspiring author)
Caste where I could drop letters to make Case or Cast

No need to include a subtitle, unless you want to. Use or ignore, as the mood takes you.
All words have to be valid words in the language the title is in.

14Morphidae
Edited: Oct 5, 3:25 pm

Challenge #8: Read a book where the MC performs one of the top 10 most popular Halloween activities

Please note activity in wiki.

They don't need to be Halloween related.

1. Eating candy
2. Decorating the house (includes from decorating for a holiday to redecorating a room to complete interior design.)
3. Trick-or-treating
4. Going to haunted houses (living in will count
5. Dressing up (e.g. formal event)
6. Carving jack-o'-lanterns
7. Going to parties
8. Watching scary movies
9. Scaring little kids (accidentally counts as do "small" scares)
10. Making costumes

*Approved change. Sorry for the lateness of it. Life intruded.

15lyzard
Sep 27, 2:47 am

>10 lindapanzo:

Thanks!

>9 DeltaQueen50:

Great minds! - I will be reading The Fire Engine That Disappeared.

I think Anita is also reading the Martin Beck series, so we might have more company. :)

16lyzard
Edited: Sep 27, 2:53 am

>12 quondame:

If it is set in the real world and has some non-supernatural characters, I will allow it (otherwise I would consider it fantasy).

ETA: I hope that isn't too hair-splitty: I'm really looking for real people having un-real experiences or encounters.

17FAMeulstee
Sep 27, 4:13 am

>15 lyzard: I finished the last Martin Beck in November last year, Liz, so I won't join you there. It is to early to start a re-read.

18Citizenjoyce
Edited: Sep 27, 5:02 am

Challenge #9: Read a book with a title containing at least 2 of the following - a religious title, a royal title, and/or a political title
I'll be re-reading '''Deacon''' '''King''' Kong by James McBride for my RL book club.

19Citizenjoyce
Edited: Yesterday, 11:53 pm

Fun challenges so far, I love this time of year. My planned reads:
Challenge #1: Read a book with the number of title letters divisible by 5 - started by SqueakyChu
*✔The Selfless Act of Breathing - JJ Bola (3.5)
Challenge #2: Read a book whose title or subtitle includes the word “devil” or one of its synonyms - started by dallenbaugh
Speak of the Devil: How The Satanic Temple is Changing the Way We Talk about Religion - Joseph P. Laycock (5)
Challenge #3: Read a book by or about someone who died on or after February 29, 2020 - started by lindapanzo
Fighting for YES!: The Story of Disability Rights Activist Judith Heumann - Maryann Cocca-Leffler (5)
Challenge #4: Read a book that has a title word that starts with an O, an N or a D (October, November & December) - started by DeltaQueen
Democracy Awakening: Notes on the State of America - Heather Cox Richardson (5)
Demon Song - Cat Adams (3.5)
Challenge #5: Read a book with a word in the title that can refer to a non-written art - started by quondame
Blood Song - Cat Adams (4)
Challenge #6: Read a short story or collection of short stories with a supernatural theme - started by lyzard
Dreams Underfoot: A Newford Collection - Charles de Lint
*✔Haunted Nights - Ellen Datlow (4)
Challenge #7: Read a book where adding or removing a letter makes a new title - started by helenliz
Siren Song- Cat Adams (4)
Challenge #8: Read a book for the Shadows & Shivers Bingo rolling challenge - started by Morphidae
Dark Harvest - Norman Partridge
The Midnight Man -Caroline Mitchell (3.5)
The Mother Next Door - Tara Laskowski (3)
The Perfect Death (Brannon House Book 1) by Stacy Claflin (2.5)
Rags and Bones - Melissa Marr abandoned
Challenge #9: Read a book with a title containing at least 2 of the following - a religious title, a royal title, and/or a political title - started by Citizenjoyce
*✔Deacon King Kong - James McBride (4)
Challenge #10: Read a book by an author you've read at least three books by in the past, but none so far in 2023. List # read in the past - started by susanna.fraser
Mad Honey - Jodi Picoult (3.5)
Challenge #11: Read a book with 300 pages or more - started by FAMeulstee
Hell Bent - Leigh Bardugo (4)
Challenge #12: Read a book that qualifies as a "saga" - started by Chatterbox
Battlefield Earth: A Saga of the Year 3000 - L. Ron Hubbard
*✔The Splendid and the Vile: A Saga of Churchill, Family, and Defiance During the Blitz - Erik Larson (4)
Challenge #13: Read a book with a family connection (state the connection) - started by bell7
The Richer Sex: How the New Majority of Female Breadwinners Is Transforming Sex, Love and Family - Liza Mundy (4)
Healing: When a Nurse Becomes a Patient by Theresa Brown (4)
The Shift: One Nurse, Twelve Hours, Four Patients' Lives - Theresa Brown (5)
Challenge #14: Read a book narrated by a woman with a reference to a female character in the title - started by wandering_star
*Agatha of Little Neon - Claire Luchette
By Her Own Design: A Novel of Ann Lowe, Fashion Designer to the Social Register - Piper Huguley (4)

20Kristelh
Sep 27, 8:48 am

>7 lyzard:, for challenge 6, Would the Legend of Sleeping Hollow work here?

21Morphidae
Sep 27, 10:42 am

>18 Citizenjoyce: Can you do two of the same type of title like two royals in:

The Sultan and the Queen by Jerry Brotton

22lindapanzo
Sep 27, 11:52 am

>5 DeltaQueen50: Happily, Judy, many of the mysteries I want to get to in October include title words starting with O, N, and/or D. So your challenge is perfect.

>13 Helenliz: I am chuckling at the first entries for your challenge. Alas, I don't think of myself as a creative person but maybe something will come to me if I look at my book titles long enough.

23alcottacre
Sep 27, 12:21 pm

I am not taking part in the TIOLI challenges in October - I am going to be out of town for half the month - but I wish everyone good luck and good reading!!

24Kristelh
Sep 27, 12:33 pm

I am going to be out of town part of October but will try to do some of the TIOLI challenges, just may be more limited by time.

25Citizenjoyce
Sep 27, 1:48 pm

>21 Morphidae: No they have to be two different categories.

26Citizenjoyce
Sep 27, 1:51 pm

>23 alcottacre: you went crazy this month. Your brain and eyes need a little rest.

27quondame
Sep 27, 2:13 pm

>16 lyzard: That is exactly what the Newford books are, real people having surreal encounters. Though sometimes the lines blur.

28alcottacre
Sep 27, 3:03 pm

>26 Citizenjoyce: Maybe that is why my CFS has reared its ugly head this week. I am really struggling to finish up the books I already had in train before this week. No way am I going to finish the other 6 or so that I never even started.

29Citizenjoyce
Sep 27, 3:52 pm

>28 alcottacre: Be gentle with yourself.

30susanna.fraser
Edited: Sep 27, 3:54 pm

Challenge #10: Read a book by an author you've read at least three books by in the past, but none so far in 2023. List number read in the past.

Hopefully self-explanatory. Shared reads are allowed.

31alcottacre
Sep 27, 4:14 pm

>29 Citizenjoyce: I try, but I have little patience for it :) Thanks, Joyce.

32FAMeulstee
Sep 27, 4:18 pm

Challenge #11: Read a book with 300 pages or more

33lyzard
Sep 27, 5:30 pm

>13 Helenliz:

My library had Charles O'Malley, The Irish Dragoon mis-catalogued as Charles O'Malley, The Irish Dragon, so I don't even have to think about that one. :D

>17 FAMeulstee:

Well I lost track of that, didn't I?? Never mind!

34lyzard
Sep 27, 5:37 pm

>20 Kristelh:

If you mean The Legend Of Sleepy Hollow, borderline---but I will allow it for its setting and backstory.

>27 quondame:

That sounds fine, then. (As long as the short-story part is met!)

35Chatterbox
Sep 27, 7:04 pm

Challenge #12: Read a book that could be described as a "saga"

You know 'em when you see 'em. A saga is (dictionary definition) "a long involved story". It can feature heroes (think the Viking sagas) or quirky heroes (think Don Quixote) or simply a lot of interwoven stories of different characters that take place over a reasonably long time frame. Earlier this year, I (re) read The Tontine by Thomas Costain, which definitely would have qualified. I'm going to read the latest volume of Ken Follett's cathedral books (just released) and re-read Shogun, probably via audiobook. And I make seek out a chick lit saga, as well... :-) Guilty pleasures!

36Helenliz
Sep 28, 1:19 am

>33 lyzard: I'm not sure which of those two options I'd prefer to read!

>22 lindapanzo: I agree. There some nice inventiveness going on in there so far.

37quondame
Sep 28, 2:49 am

>18 Citizenjoyce: Can the titles be in the subtitle?

38Citizenjoyce
Sep 28, 3:48 am

39bell7
Sep 28, 11:47 am

Challenge #13: Read a book with a family connection (state the connection)

A self-serving challenge to make me finally pick up the nonfiction book on the history of Auburn, NY that I've been meaning to read in connection to researching my family history. I'm going to be pretty broad in my definition of a family connection, however. Is it set in a town where your family was from? Is a character a distant cousin of yours? Are you related to the author? Are you reading about the Irish potato famine and have Irish ancestry? That all counts. Please do note what the connection is in the entry on the wiki. I am curious to see what y'all come up with :)

Mine (once I get home to figure out the exact title/author of the book I mean to read) is that some of my father's ancestors were originally from the town of Auburn.

40raidergirl3
Sep 28, 12:08 pm

>13 Helenliz: I am surprised at how difficult it is to add or remove a letter, and not just change a letter. I tried several times, and each time I only changed a letter. Sheesh. I must check out this new game show- maybe on youtube?

41Helenliz
Sep 28, 2:05 pm

>40 raidergirl3: the change a letter is also a round they use. I decided I might save that for another time. >:-)
There are episodes on YouTube, yes.

42lindapanzo
Sep 28, 2:55 pm

>40 raidergirl3: I can't delete a letter on anything I own but next, I'll try adding a letter. That might be easier. I hope.

43wandering_star
Sep 28, 5:28 pm

Challenge #14: Read a book narrated by a woman with a reference to a female character in the title

The character in the title could be the narrator or someone else. The title can also refer to multiple characters.

44quondame
Sep 28, 7:47 pm

>43 wandering_star: Do goddesses count as women?

45Helenliz
Sep 29, 5:57 am

>44 quondame: I was wondering if Gods & Goddesses count as supernatural beings for >7 lyzard:'s challenge!

46wandering_star
Edited: Sep 29, 5:31 pm

47lyzard
Sep 29, 5:55 pm

>45 Helenliz:

If they interact with real people in the real world. :)

48humouress
Oct 5, 1:10 am

It's been a while since I managed to get to the TIOLI thread (busy year) but I'm here! Let's see if I manage to actually read for the challenge.

49SqueakyChu
Oct 5, 1:12 am

>48 humouress: Welcome back!

50Citizenjoyce
Oct 5, 3:19 am

>48 humouress: It's a nice cozy month to read.

51humouress
Edited: Oct 5, 9:19 am

52alcottacre
Oct 5, 10:12 am

>48 humouress: Yay! Always glad to see you, Nina!

53humouress
Oct 5, 11:49 am

>52 alcottacre: Thanks Stasia :0)

54lindapanzo
Oct 5, 12:32 pm

>14 Morphidae: Do you have any details about your challenge yet?

55SqueakyChu
Oct 5, 2:11 pm

>54 lindapanzo: She let me know that she'll post them this afternoon. Thanks for your patience.

56lindapanzo
Edited: Oct 5, 2:31 pm

>55 SqueakyChu: I certainly have plenty to read this month. Lots of great challenges. Between the start of the hockey season and the baseball playoffs, I've got to get my reading in when I can.

57Morphidae
Oct 5, 3:36 pm

>54 lindapanzo: >55 SqueakyChu: It's up and updated.

58SqueakyChu
Oct 5, 4:25 pm

>57 Morphidae: Hurray! Thank you.

59FAMeulstee
Edited: Oct 11, 6:34 pm

>35 Chatterbox: I have two books tagged 'family saga', I suppose those count for your saga challenge?

60Citizenjoyce
Edited: Oct 12, 8:05 pm

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61SqueakyChu
Oct 11, 7:41 pm

TIOLI Stats for September, 2023

For the month of September, 2023, we read a total of 314 books of which 49 (or 16%) were shared reads. We accumulated 26 TIOLI points for a September YTD total of 298 TIOLI points (less than last year, but more than two years ago).

Our most popular book was Days Without End by Sebastian Barry. This book was read by five challengers.

Our most popular challenge, with 56 books read, was the challenge by Chatterbox to read a book with a headline character count of 23 or less.

The challenge with the most TIOLI points (five) was the one by lindapanzo to read a book, fiction or nonfiction, about a war that took place before you were born.

Ever onward...

62Chatterbox
Oct 12, 7:55 pm

>59 FAMeulstee:, Absolutely!

63SqueakyChu
Edited: Oct 12, 9:27 pm

The TIOLI Awards for September, 2023!

The Learn a New Skill Award goes to Chatterbox for teaching all of us to do a headline character count. I can't wait to see when I can next use my newly acquired skill! This must be a great skill to have because it was a wildly popular challenge.

The Three's The Number Award goes to AlcottAcre and to quondame for reading books for the challlenge by AlcottAcre to read a book whose author's either first or last name has only 3 letters in it. These two award winners read books by authors whose names had three letters in both the first and last names.

The Picture Perfect Award goes to DeltaQueen50 for the challenge to read a book whose title would fit as a name for the posted picture. I love these challenges which use a picture to inspire reads. This was lovely -- both the picture used and the books chosen by our challengers.

The Matching Word Count Award goes to AlcottAcre for reading The Real War Will Never Get in the Books. This challenger's book title had a nine-word title with only one word not having a matching word count with another title word. No too shabby!

The Spelling Heroine Award goes to antqueen for the challenge by FAMeulstee to read a book where you can make a word, with at least three letters, with the first letters of title and/or author. Well, this challenger read two books and not only made a word, but made two sentences out of the words (i.e. Cats scratch charts and Catch that cat, Chad) So funny. I did need that laugh. Thank you!

64quondame
Oct 12, 9:25 pm

>63 SqueakyChu: Thank you Madeline!

65antqueen
Oct 12, 10:01 pm

>63 SqueakyChu: I saw it and just couldn't help it. Glad I'm not the only one who found it amusing, though!

66DeltaQueen50
Oct 12, 11:19 pm

>63 SqueakyChu: Thank you, Madeline. I loved how the titles that were entered fit that picture!

67Kristelh
Oct 13, 7:29 am

Congrats to the winners!

68streamsong
Oct 14, 11:29 am

Last night I finished Elizabeth Acevedo's first adult novel Family Lore. I loved her YA books and really looked forward to this one.

I've had 5 years of Latin and a year of Spanish so I can guess by roots or context what most Spanish phrases mean. But I found the Dominican phrases are often unique and I really struggled as there were words or phrases on almost every page that I guessed at or had to Google.

Here are my 'look ups' for a few pages of Flor's story of an encounter with a mountain boa as a child. p 295 -300

- “stirring an asopao” obviously some kind of cooking. Definition: traditional Dominican stew
- “wood pieces out of the fogon” my guess woodbox – Definition: the hearth or fireplace. This one was actually the opposite of what I thought she was doing ie adding more wood so it would continue to cook while she looked for her sister versus taking out wood so it wouldn’t overcook.
- “She walked past the old conucos” - my guess gardens – actually clearings from jungle/dense growth
- “very few descendants of the Taino or Arawak Indio” this was interesting to look up
- “!Fuacata!’ – my guess Fuc* ; actually a DR exclamation meaning the sound of a strike with the back of a hand. I am really glad I looked this one up.
- “cutting plaintains for tostones” although this one had more clues I imagined something bread-like as she described frying it instead of the definition of double fried plaintains.

Some phrases cannot translate p 303 – explaining differences in speech accents: “A person from El Cibao drops most s’s and substitutes some r’s and l’s for i. !Poi Dio que si! “ p 303

Have you ever read a book with so many unknown phrases? Did you look them up or just drive on? The story was so much richer when I looked them up - but it definitely slowed me down (ten days to read it)

69Chatterbox
Yesterday, 6:43 pm

>39 bell7: Does the fact that you know the author count as a connection?? (i.e. that you've done more than have them sign a book for you...) If so, I'm great; if not, I'll have to read some Hemingway (a very very distant cousin; we had a common ancestor in the mid 18th century...)

70bell7
Yesterday, 8:31 pm

>69 Chatterbox: I'm thinking to make it a "family" connection, it would have to be more specific than your own personal relationship with the author, for example, if it was someone your parents grew up with.

71SqueakyChu
Yesterday, 8:31 pm

TIOLI Question of the Month:

What makes you DNF (did not finish) a book? Which books have you DNFed recently and why?

72Chatterbox
Edited: Yesterday, 8:50 pm

>70 bell7: Makes sense! So I could read something by an author who was a family friend of my grandparents?

I wish I had something by Sir Charles G.D. Roberts to read! My family lived in a house in Ottawa where he had once lived...

Or... there's a book Basil Street Blues by Michael Holroyd; it's about the street my family lived on when we lived in London??

Or... sigh... there's always Hemingway.

73Chatterbox
Yesterday, 9:03 pm

>71 SqueakyChu: Either boredom or irritation.

Sometimes a book isn't right for me at a particular moment in time. Or the opening chapters don't grab me; even as there's something else that is calling out to me urgently. Lands of Lost Borders by Kate Harris is one. I still want to finish it, but am not enough engaged by the author's approach ("look at me, having a great adventure!") to want to keep going.

But irritation is the worst of all possible worlds. Overuse of clichés; clunky writing; characters doing stuff you predicted they'd do 25 pages earlier and the author expecting you to be surprised... Don't want to name and shame, though.

Sometimes too much time has elapsed between my reading a book's predecessor in a series and the latest book. Cases in point: Theft of an Idol by Dana Stabenow (read the first two back to back but #3? meh), The Fugitive Colours by Nancy Bilyeau (really liked the first book but can't remember enough details!).

Or then there are books that I keep on starting and know that I'll likely enjoy if only... Case in point, The Idiot by Elif Batuman.

74bell7
Yesterday, 9:28 pm

>72 Chatterbox: Yes, exactly, any of those connections would work. Sorry if that sticks you with Hemingway though!

75Chatterbox
Yesterday, 9:43 pm

I think I'll re-read Treason at York by John F. Hayes, who was a friend of my grandfather's. I used to love his books, Canadian historical fiction for the YA crowd.

76Citizenjoyce
Yesterday, 11:45 pm

>71 SqueakyChu: Animal, child or woman abuse, torture put me off a book. I started Vaster Wilds tonight. Not too far in there was a fairly detailed description of bear baiting. I'm sure it was accurate to the time, but I don't need that stuff in my head.