SandDune reads in 2023 - thread 3

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SandDune reads in 2023 - thread 3

1SandDune
Edited: Jul 9, 3:30 pm

Welcome to my third thread of 2023 and to my twelth year doing the 75 Book Challenge. I'm a 62 year old accountant and, after spending most of my career in the City of London, I was until recently the Finance Manager of a local charity which provides support to children and adults with learning disabilities. But at the beginning of 2021 I retired and my husband (aka Mr SandDune) also started working part-time. We live about thirty miles north of London although retirement may take us elsewhere in the U.K. Our 23 year old son Jacob has just finished studying history at the University of Lancaster in the North of England. There's also our 11 year old Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Daisy, who tends to feature prominently in my threads.

I'm originally from Wales rather than England, so I do have an interest in all things Welsh and I tend to get huffy if people call me English rather than Welsh! I'm currently studying a second year Welsh course after passing my first year exams in the summer (I learnt it at school but had forgotten most of it). I read mainly literary fiction, classics, science-fiction and fantasy, but I have been trying (and enjoying) some crime fiction. As far as non-fiction goes I’m interested in a number of topics, in particular books about the environment and nature.

I used to reach 75 books a year without difficulty, but the number of books I'm reading is down these days, mainly as a result of no longer listening to audio books during my commute to work.

All my family are avid readers. Jacob has inherited a love of reading science-fiction and fantasy from me and a love of reading history from Mr SandDune so our books are frequently shared. I read hardbacks, paperbacks, on kindle and listen to audio books particularly when driving or walking the dog.

Apart from reading I love travelling, eating out, and going to the theatre. Over the last couple of years when going out has been less practical I've enjoyed craft activities and learnt to crochet . I'm also getting more and more concerned about environmental issues: I'm a member of the local Green Party and have been quite involved in campaigning on climate change. Recently, I've also become more involved in community activities and am treasurer of my local food bank

This year I'm returning to the idea of starting each thread with a piece of art. This month's picture is 'Our English Coasts (strayed sheep)' (1852) by William Holman Hunt:


2SandDune
Edited: Jul 26, 2:59 pm

Books Read in 2023:

1. Am Ddiwrnod Margaret Johnson (Welsh) 2018
2. The Country of Men Hisham Matar 2006 ***1/2
3. Blacmêl Pegi Talfryn (Welsh) 2021
4. The Belton Estate Anthony Trollope 1866 ***1/2
5. The Eagle of the Ninth Rosemary Sutcliff 1954 ****1/2
6. The Five: the Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper Hallie Rubenhold ****
7. Secret Service Tom Bradby ***
8. The Silver Branch Rosemary Sutcliff ****
9. The Lantern Bearers Rosemary Sutcliff *****
10. Under Another Sky: Journeys in Roman Britain Charlotte Higgins ***1/2
11. Persepolis Marjane Satrapi ***
12. An Account of the Decline of the Great Auk, According to One Who Saw It Jessie Greengrass ****
13. The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue **1/2
14. Sorrow and Bliss Meg Mason ***1/2
15. Mort Terry Pratchett ****
16. Gangsters yn y Glaw Pegi Talfryn (Welsh)
17. Gorau Glas Lois Arnold (Welsh)
18. Double Agent Tom Bradby ***1/2
19. Us Three Ruth Jones ***
21. Beyond the Burn Line Paul McCauley***1/2
22. The Sentence Louise Erdrich
23. The Lost Man by Jane Harper ****
24. The Other Side of the Bridge Mary Lawson ****
25. My Phantoms Gwendoline Riley ****1/2
26. Legends and Lattes Travis Baldree ***1/2
27. The Physicians of Vilnoc Lois McMaster Bujold ***1/2
28. The Collapsing Empire John Scalzi ***1/2
29. The Consuming Fire John Scalzi. ***1/2
30. Nine Princes in Amber Roger Zelanzy ***
31. Stryd y Bont Manon Steffan Ros
32. Pass y Sugnydd Llwch, Darling! Mari George
33. Chwedlau Cymru: Ceffylau Fiona Collins
34. Ffenest (various)
35. Yn ei Gwsg Bethan Gwanas
36. Y Stryd Helen Naylor
37. The Dutch House Ann Patchett ****1/2
38. Still Life Louise Penny ***1/2
39. A Fatal Grace Louise Penny ***
40. Amatka Karin Tidbeck ****1/2
41. We Know You Remember Tove Alsterdal ****
42. You Will Never be Found Tove Alsterdal ***1/2
43. Beartown Frederik Backman ***
44. Elektra Jennifer Saint ***
45. Fluffy Simone Lia ***

4SandDune
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5SandDune
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6richardderus
Jul 9, 3:35 pm

Too soon? I hope not...too late if so....

7SandDune
Jul 9, 4:00 pm

>5 SandDune: No not too soon. All finished now, but the numbering was going to pieces so I have extra posts.

We are in Sweden now, currently in Uppsala not far from Stockholm but going further north tomorrow. Weather so far is good, so we've been able to eat outside each evening. (I'd forgotten how much Swedes like to eat outside - much more common than in the U.K.). We had a rather stressful start to our journey: we arrived at the boarding gate that had been announced (number 48) to discover that it was closed and they had just changed our gate to number 86, completely over the other side of the airport. So we started to rush over there, only to have another gate change five minutes later to gate 40, which luckily then proved to be the final one. I'm a very nervous flyer at the best of times and it doesn't take much to stress me out in an airport, so I could have done without that.

Anyway, we're having a much more relaxing time in Uppsala. Yesterday, we wandered around the city looking at some of the main sites (the Botanic Garden, the University Library and the Cathedral) and today we visited a couple of sites outside the town. Gamla Uppsala (or old Uppsala) is the site of huge burial mounds from the sixth and seventh centuries and Linnés Hammarby was the summer home of the eighteenth century Swedish scientist Carl Linnaeus. I'll post some pictures tomorrow. Additionally, there is a very good English bookshop within a couple of minutes walk of our hotel, which is keeping all members of the family happy.

8BLBera
Jul 9, 4:22 pm

Uppsala sounds great, Rhian. I'm glad your stressful start didn't make you miss your plane!

9drneutron
Jul 9, 5:06 pm

Happy new thread! Have fun in Uppsala!

10PawsforThought
Jul 9, 5:13 pm

>7 SandDune: Welcome to Sweden, Rhian! I can attest to the quality of the English Bookshop. It’s superb and the staff are all wonderful. I go there every time I’m in Uppsala. My only complaint is the same one I have in all bookshops - too many paperbacks!

11FAMeulstee
Jul 9, 5:21 pm

Happy new thread, Rhian!

Enjoy your vacation. Uppsala sounds lovely.

12atozgrl
Jul 9, 5:25 pm

Happy new thread, Rhian! Aside from the problems at the airport, it sounds like your trip has started well. I hope you have lots of fun and relaxation!

That's a lovely painting in your topper! I'm not familiar with the artist.

13PaulCranswick
Jul 9, 6:21 pm

Happy new thread, Rhian. xx

Sweden is one of the places I really want to visit so I am a bit jealous. Take plenty of photos.

14quondame
Jul 9, 9:19 pm

Happy new thread Rhian!

I sounds like Sweden suits you.

15vancouverdeb
Jul 9, 10:16 pm

Happy New Thread, Rhian ! Your holiday to Sweden looks lovely!

16WhiteRaven.17
Jul 9, 11:18 pm

Happy new thread Rhian. Sweden is high on my list, hope you have a lovely holiday.

17Familyhistorian
Jul 10, 12:45 am

Happy new thread, Rhian. Enjoy your time in Sweden.

18ArlieS
Jul 10, 10:33 am

Happy new thread, Rhian

>7 SandDune: Ugh! Flying seems to get worse every year, though I hear some places - not the US where I live - have finally decided to allow passengers to travel with liquids in their carry on luggage, rather than paying for over-priced water on the far side of the security screening.

I recall eating outdoors a lot when traveling in Bavaria. I've no idea how they compare with Sweden.

19SandDune
Jul 10, 1:40 pm

>9 drneutron: >10 PawsforThought: >11 FAMeulstee: >12 atozgrl: >13 PaulCranswick: >14 quondame: >15 vancouverdeb: >16 WhiteRaven.17: >17 Familyhistorian: >18 ArlieS: we have left Uppsala now and are at Mora further north. The family is wanting to get in some swimming in a lake tomorrow.

>10 PawsforThought: We went back to the English bookshop this morning before leaving Uppsala and made a few more purchases. It has a particularly good sci-fi section with a lot of U.S. books which aren’t easily available in the U.K.

>18 ArlieS: Eating outside seems more normalised here somehow. It’s not that we don’t do it at home, people will certainly eat out at lunchtime. But it just seems more expected here and a lot of rest provide blankets if it gets cold. Same thing in Denmark.

20SandDune
Edited: Jul 10, 2:04 pm

Here is the centre of Uppsala, an old university town, with the cathedral in the background:



And here is part of the Botanic Gardens, with Jacob and Mr SandDune sunning themselves:



Then the burial mounds at Uppsala Gamla - pretty big. Some of them were flattened to build a church when Sweden converted to Christianity, and when we went we saw a raven purchased on the church roof - maybe a disgruntled Odin? They were absolutely covered in wild flowers and thousands of butterflies.



And lastly the eighteenth century scientist Carl Linnaeus’s summer residence outside Uppsala:



21The_Hibernator
Jul 10, 2:08 pm

Hi Rhian! Those are beautiful pictures of Uppsala!

22Caroline_McElwee
Jul 10, 3:08 pm

Lovely photos Rhian. Glad you are having a lovely time. Weather looks glorious too.

23atozgrl
Jul 10, 10:05 pm

Beautiful pictures! Thanks for sharing them, Rhian. I'm so glad to see that you're having such a good time!

24vancouverdeb
Jul 10, 10:10 pm

Beautiful pictures of Uppsala, Rhian! The weather looks fabulous!

25richardderus
Jul 10, 10:15 pm

>20 SandDune: we saw a raven purchased on the church roof - maybe a disgruntled Odin? ...or merely expressing his opinion of the new faith by crapping all over it.

So great to see the beautiful sights with y'all.

26SandDune
Edited: Jul 11, 2:22 pm

A book by a Swedish author since we are in Sweden:

39. Amatka Karin Tidbeck ****1/2



Brilars' Vanya Essre Two travels from her home colony of Essre to Amatka, on a three week research mission for the new privately owned Essre Hygiene Specialists. A simple mission to find out what new hygiene products the colony of Amatka might need. On the automated train between the colonies, on which she travels alone, everything is labelled - WASHBASIN, PANTRY, TABLE - and Vanya names her possessions out loud as well. In the world in which she lives giving something its correct name can be a matter of life or death:

Vanya fetched her suitcase and undid the buckles. One of them looked like it was about to come loose. It had been a gift from someone, who had inherited it from someone else, and so on. In any case, it wasn't going to last long, the word SUITCASE was almost illegible. She could fill in the letters, of course, but the question was what would happen first – that the bag simply fell apart from wear or that it dissolved when she put it away. She really ought to scrap it.

"Suitcase," Vanya whispered, to keep it its shape just a little longer. "Suitcase, suitcase."


But in Amatka everything is not the same as it is in Essre. For the first time in her life Vanya starts to question everything that she has ever known about how her world works ...

This is a short, intriguing novel, in which things are not ever fully explained, but which is well worth reading. Recommended.

27BLBera
Jul 11, 7:58 pm

Thanks for sharing your photos, Rhian. It looks like you are having fabulous weather.

28SandDune
Edited: Jul 12, 11:24 am

>21 The_Hibernator: >22 Caroline_McElwee: >23 atozgrl: >24 vancouverdeb: >25 richardderus: >27 BLBera: The weather has taken a turn for the worse today and has been pretty solid rain. Better things forecast for tomorrow. So this morning (much to Mr SandDune's disgust) we headed off to the Dala horse workshop so that Jacob could buy an archetypal Swedish horse for his girlfriend. Actually, once he was there he found it quite interesting.



It's so interesting what unexpected cultural differences you can find in different countries. We came across a knife shop today - I couldn't remember ever seeing a knife shop before so we went in to have a look. They had a play area with knives and pieces of wood for children to practice whittling. I dread to think how many laws that would have broken in the U.K.!

This afternoon we went to the Anders Zorn museum. Anders Zorn is an artist who has fallen out of favour internationally (but not in Sweden) - certainly I had never heard of him. But apparently back in the day he was incredibly well known. Here are two of his paintings, both of his wife:

Emma Zorn - reading (1887)


The Thorn Bush (1886)


Yesterday, it was warmer and we were able to have a dip in Lake Orsajön - not a swim exactly as the water was very shallow for ages. But we got wet. And Jacob found a friend:

29Caroline_McElwee
Jul 12, 12:00 pm

>28 SandDune: Beautiful paintings Rhian. Have not heard of him before either.

Like Jacobs friend. Purrs are multi-lingual or cross-lingual?

30richardderus
Jul 12, 1:49 pm

>26 SandDune: Oh, I am sooo very glad that you enjoyed this very odd, very immersive read! I keep shoving it at people because I want them to be in Essre with me.

Enjoy your week-ahead's reads.

31SandDune
Jul 12, 2:28 pm

>30 richardderus: Maybe it was on your thread that I saw Amatka first. I bought it for this holiday by just googling books by contemporary Swedish writers. But when I added it to my Library yesterday I saw it was already in my Wishlist, so someone must have recommended it previously. Have you read Jagannath by the same author? They had it in the English bookshop in Uppsala and I wish I'd bought it now.

32SandDune
Jul 12, 2:56 pm

Another cultural difference that I have noticed here is the preponderance of automatic lawnmowers. We have two that wander around the grass surrounding our house here (and the neighbours houses as well as it's difficult to see where the boundary is). We are somewhat fascinated with how they avoid falling in the river at the bottom of the garden. It's not that I've never seen them in the U.K., but I've seen a lot more here.

When Daisy was younger she met an automatic lawnmower when we took her to a friend's house as they wanted to socialise their puppy. She was deeply suspicious of it - I think she thought it was alive.

33SandDune
Jul 12, 3:09 pm

>32 SandDune: Actually having given it more thought, I've realised I'd be far less likely to notice if British homes had automatic lawnmowers as gardens tend to be much less open plan!

34richardderus
Jul 12, 4:16 pm

>31 SandDune: Not yet, though it's on my Kindle. Since it's short stories, it'll get read in stages more than likely.

35katiekrug
Jul 12, 4:22 pm

Automatic lawnmowers are not (yet?) a thing over here, I don't think. But I want one! Especially as I'm looking out the window at over-long grass that I need to take care of soon....

36quondame
Jul 12, 6:40 pm

>28 SandDune: One of our regular stops in "the big city" was the knife/cutlery shop in Beverly Hills. It had no trial area though, just a counter and lots of glinting blades that would make me a bit dizzy. Sometimes we would take kitchen knives or scissors for sharpening, sometimes just stop for a look, and occasionally buy a bit of carbon steel and lament the take-over by stainless steel. I think my dad was the one who directed us there most often, and he only did one or two joint trips each year.

37PawsforThought
Jul 13, 2:41 am

Nice to hear you’re enjoying Dalarna. We went there a lot when I was a kid but I haven’t been there for thirty years.
Dala horses are classic - was it a Nusnäs horse Jacob got? They’re the best ones.
And I love Anders Zorn. I didn’t know he was forgotten outside Sweden - that’s a shame because his paintings are so beautiful. Though he’s definitely come to be somewhat overshadowed by Carl Larsson in terms of fame. Recently, the Swedish artist being rediscovered is Hilda af Klimt, who I believe there is an exhibition of in London at the moment.

And I hate automatic lawn mowers (we call them robot mowers). They’re creepy and they cut lawns badly (lines all cross-cross). But most people love them because lawns here are big and people don’t want to have to cut them themselves.

38BLBera
Jul 13, 10:03 am

I laughed when I saw your comments on the knife shop -- that could never happen in the US, with all the litigious people!

39SandDune
Jul 13, 1:09 pm

Most exciting thing that happened to day hasn't got anything to do with holiday activities. But Jacob got his degree result, and he got a first class degree (in History). That's what he was hoping for, but you can never be sure ... So we're all very pleased.

40SandDune
Jul 13, 1:44 pm

>36 quondame: >38 BLBera: I think in the U.K. all knives have to be locked up in shops, say in a display case.so just seeing them loose in baskets was a definite shock.

>35 katiekrug: >37 PawsforThought: if I had a big lawn I would definitely like a robot lawnmower (I think that might be what they are called in the U.K, as well.) I think they are quite cute actually, just trundling around all the time. Our lawn is tiny, so we absolutely do not need one, but I can see they would be ideal with the large lawns here.

>37 PawsforThought: It was a Nusnäs horse. We had a look around the workshop as well which was interesting. I hadn't heard of AndersvZorn or Carl Larson either I'm afraid!

41Caroline_McElwee
Jul 13, 2:34 pm

>39 SandDune: Congratulations Jacob. No doubt there will be some Swedish celebration ahead.

>40 SandDune: Yup, knives locked up in the UK is right Rhian. I can't remember how long that has been, but for a while certainly.

42charl08
Jul 13, 3:42 pm

>39 SandDune: Congratulations to Jacob!

43johnsimpson
Jul 13, 4:26 pm

Hi Rhian my dear, Happy New Thread my dear friend.

44vancouverdeb
Jul 13, 8:01 pm

Great pictures, Rhian . I'm glad you are having such a wonder holiday and congratulations to Jacob!I'd never heard of a robotic lawnmower and I had to go and check if we had them in Canada, and sure enough they are for sale. But I've not seen on in action. I might mention it to my son William, who has a yard to mow and he is very allergic to grass and does not like mowing the grass. They are pricey though.

45lauralkeet
Jul 13, 8:32 pm

Well done Jacob! I'm sure he's thrilled, and you and MrSandDune must be very proud of him.

46quondame
Jul 13, 8:33 pm

>39 SandDune: Congratulations to Jacob!

47atozgrl
Jul 14, 12:32 pm

>28 SandDune: Very nice pictures, Rhian! The Thorn Bush looks almost like a photo. Very pretty indeed!

>38 BLBera: Unfortunately, shoplifting is also a problem here.

>39 SandDune: What wonderful news! My congratulations to Jacob as well!

48PawsforThought
Jul 14, 2:38 pm

I’m rather amused by everyone having minor culture shock from the idea of knives being accessible in a shop. My first, and most pervasive, thought being “if you want to see knives you should go to Finland”.

And this might be an opportune moment to mention that my dad gave me a knife for my seventh birthday (albeit a small one).

49BLBera
Jul 14, 8:33 pm

Congratulations to Jacob. What is next for him?

50PaulCranswick
Jul 14, 8:55 pm

>39 SandDune: That is great news, Rhian! Please give him our congratulations. As Beth asks, what are his plans going forward - does he want to specialize in a specific period?

Love the Sweden photos too and it remains very close to the top of my own list in places I wish to visit.

51SandDune
Jul 16, 12:08 pm

>41 Caroline_McElwee: >42 charl08: >43 johnsimpson: >45 lauralkeet: >46 quondame: >47 atozgrl: >49 BLBera: >50 PaulCranswick: Thanks for all the congratulations for Jacob. He's still trying to make up his mind what he wants to do - he is spending some time on the holiday looking at his options.

>41 Caroline_McElwee: >48 PawsforThought: I seem to remember going away somewhere with Jacob a few years ago and having to buy him a disposable razor (he had forgotten his) because he was under 18 and they wouldn't sell it to him directly. Which does seem a bit ridiculous...

>48 PawsforThought: I've never been to Finland, so can't comment on that. I suppose there's more hunting here - that's a very niche activity at home - and things need to be cut up.

>50 PaulCranswick: Sweden is lovely. The weather has been a bit unsettled but I would rather have that than the massive heatwave that they are having further south.

52SandDune
Jul 16, 12:29 pm

For our last day in Dalarna we went to visit the copper mine in Falun - a world heritage site. Visiting a mine on holiday is getting to be a habit - recently I've done gold, slate and now copper. I haven't done a coal mine for a while - maybe it's time to revisit one of those!

And then it was time to leave Dalarna to head to Karlstad. Some lovely lakes on the way including this one, Kattbisjön:



And Mr SandDune finally got his proper swim in a lake, here at Lake Gapern:



I so much prefer the Swedish attitude to swimming in the countryside to the British one. The Swedish attitude seems to be as follows: 'It will get warm in summer and people will want to swim so we will provide places for them to do that with basic facilities that they might need'. The British attitude is more like: 'It is going to get very hot and some really stupid people will try to swim in a lake. That's just tough. If you do this you will drown and really, if you're so stupid to want to cool down you might as well drown anyway.' And anyway, none of our water is clean enough to swim in any more ...

53richardderus
Jul 16, 1:28 pm

>52 SandDune: How very short-sighted that 'tude is, Rhian. The Swedes do have vastly fewer people than y'all do, in a much larger space, but common sense and courtesy ought not to be chucked into the bin just because they aren't all that common. Wyoming is about the same land area as the UK and has fewer than a million people in it, so no one would bother coming to look for you if you drowned in one of its stunningly gorgeous rivers or gigantic reservoirs. Equally, no one's going to holler at you for taking a dip in one, either (but they're REALLY REALLY COLD).

54SandDune
Edited: Jul 16, 1:33 pm

>53 richardderus: To be honest I’ve never been anywhere that is so anti-freshwater swimming as the U.K. Other European countries aren’t like that, but we seem to have a real issue with it.

Edited to add: the coldest water I have ever come across was the sea in Portugal, which is surprising, given how far south it is. And it was at the end of the summer too. Swedish lakes are definitely warmer than that.

55PawsforThought
Jul 16, 2:38 pm

>51 SandDune: Yeah, hunting is pretty big (primarily among middle-aged men) - big enough to the the hunting lobby is a factor in environmental political issues.

>52 SandDune: The copper mine in Falun is the reason why so many houses in Sweden are red. The remnants after the ore had been extracted was made into paint, and because the paint was quite cheap almost everyone in then basically third-world-country Sweden painted their house with that.

Regarding the beaches/swimming areas: outdoor recreation, including swimming, was heavily encouraged at the beginning of the 20th century as a way of keeping the people healthy and strong (this has unsettling connections to eugenics and racism that we don’t need to go into) so public swimming spots have been encouraged for about a century. And the lifebouys present at many of them (like in your photo) are donated by one of the major insurance companies (Trygg-Hansa, as you can see in the photo). It’s great goodwill for them, and makes people connect their name with safety.

56richardderus
Jul 16, 3:06 pm

>54 SandDune: There are some really deep canyons off Portugal's coast, like there are off Long Island's and California's, so the water is a lot colder year-round than in shallower places. Snowmelt rivers got 'em all beat for frigidity, though!

57Caroline_McElwee
Edited: Jul 16, 3:19 pm

>52 SandDune: Snickering re the swimming comparison. As I don't it's not a problem for me, but our nanny state can make almost anything a problem.

I look forward to hearing what Jacob decides to do going forward.

58The_Hibernator
Jul 16, 3:40 pm

I love Dala horses! They remind me of my childhood. I have several, which were awarded me for skiing the American Vasaloppet, which is a copy of the Swedish World Cup race, also named the Vasaloppet.

59SandDune
Jul 17, 1:28 pm

>55 PawsforThought: There was a little film about the paint in the Dalarna horse workshop, and we saw the factory at the mine.

>56 richardderus: Actually, now I think about it Mr SandDune once made me walk though a small river that was basically glacial melt water when we went to Norway. Now that was probably the coldest thing!

>57 Caroline_McElwee: Mr SandDune really really likes swimming in fresh water, so the greater availability of swimming spots is something he loves.

>58 The_Hibernator: The last place we stayed was Mora, which is where the finish line of the Vasaloppet is located. Seems a very very long way to ski to me (not that I’ve ever been skiing).

60humouress
Jul 17, 3:20 pm

Happy new thread Rhian! Enjoy your holiday (actually, I see that you are).

Congratulations to Jacob (and parents)!

Re the swimming, I tend to feel colder than other people plus I'm suspicious about icky stuff (like sea/ pondweed that might attack you) so I'm not going to volunteer to strip off and jump in a lake (glacial melt? *shudder*). But I'm glad you're all enjoying the swimming. I'll just enjoy the scenery.

61richardderus
Jul 17, 7:22 pm

>59 SandDune: I am now unable to walk because my feet have assumed the bizarrely curled shape of ammonites even reading about GLACIAL MELTWATER immersion.

You are more tolerant than I. He'd've been kicked to the curb as soon as we were back in civilization had I been in your shoes(!).

62atozgrl
Jul 17, 11:28 pm

>52 SandDune: More gorgeous pictures! Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you are enjoying your trip!

63SandDune
Jul 19, 3:59 pm

>60 humouress: I’m exactly the opposite. I much prefer swimming in natural surroundings - I never quite understand what you are supposed to do in swimming pools once you’ve swum up and down the pool once or twice.

>61 richardderus: To be fair to Mr SandDune we were following a path that was labelled as suitable for families with children …. But I think Norwegians are more intrepid at that sort thing than many other nationalities.

>62 atozgrl: I am, thanks.

64SandDune
Edited: Jul 20, 3:15 pm

A nice few days in Karlstad. A mixture of sightseeing boat trips and spending time in the countryside. We discovered a new to us painter Lars Lerin whose paintings we both adored:







We spent some time finding somewhere where we could get a good view of Lake Vannern, the third biggest lake in Europe (the first two are in Russia), something that proved surprisingly difficult given how big it is!


65SandDune
Jul 20, 3:20 pm

We’re now in Stockholm. Another cultural difference that I have noticed: the number of restaurants that are completely shut for three or four weeks for their summer holidays. Not in the very touristy Gamla Stan area, but around our hotel there are a lot of restaurants and a good proportion of them are completely shut. That doesn’t happen at home, or at least only in the winter.

66figsfromthistle
Jul 20, 3:37 pm

Happy new thread!

Trying to catch up after being away.

>20 SandDune: What beautiful photos. Uppsala looks like a great little place to visit!

>65 SandDune: Yes, this seems to be a common thing in Europe. They close down to allow for deep cleaning and vacation time. Some places also close down 1-2 days a week. Where I was, all stores were closed on Sunday. I think in a way it is great for the family run businesses to do this. I also heard from a lot of restauranteurs that they simply do not have adequate staff.

>52 SandDune: What a great swimming spot! Looks nice and clean and refreshing!

67lauralkeet
Jul 20, 4:07 pm

We've experienced shutdowns in France in August; I think more shops than restaurants but can't be sure because we haven't been there in August in some time. However, visiting France last June we discovered the hard way that most restaurants in the area were closed Wednesdays.

68SandDune
Jul 21, 2:10 am

>66 figsfromthistle: >67 lauralkeet: I can honestly say that in 35 years of largely European summer holidays, I’ve never encountered such a widespread closure. There’s probably a few reasons for this. We usually holiday in holiday areas, rather than big cities, where the restaurants are all open, for obvious reasons. I know Paris shuts down in August, but we virtually never do city breaks in the summer. Although even when we have (we visited Tallinn and Riga in July in 2018 for instance) I didn’t notice any restaurants being closed. And for most of Europe August is peak holiday season, rather than July. We usually go on holiday early in July, everything else being equal, as Mr SandDune breaks up early (his school being a boarding school. He likes to go on holiday early in his time off and for many destinations in Europe it’s marginally cheaper as well. Most other schools where we live didn’t break up until yesterday. Sweden holiday season is definitely early compared to most of Europe. Last time we were here we came in August, and it was definitely cheaper than July and presumably everyone was back at work.

The shops being closed on Sunday thing is very much on a country by country basis, I think. The one that I always forget about (although I know it exists) is Italian shops being closed on Monday mornings.

69Caroline_McElwee
Jul 21, 10:39 am

>64 SandDune: Wonderful find Rhian. Off to check out more of his work.

70Donna828
Jul 21, 12:17 pm

What a lovely time you are having in Sweden. And big congratulations to Jacob on his excellent results in his studies. He is wise to use a restful vacation to consider his next venture. I got a big laugh out of the different attitudes to swimming amongst the Swedes and Brits. Good for you discovering a new painter. Love those bookshelves!

71SandDune
Jul 24, 3:06 pm

We're back from Sweden now. I'll probably post something about our time in Stockholm tomorrow. But we had an awful journey back! Initially, the plane was over an hour late arriving but but eventually we got on it and it was just taxi-ing to the runway when the people in the seat behind noticed that the window next to them was broken. So we had to return to the terminal and the engineer had to look at it. Turns out it wasn't the window that was broken after all but the plastic screen in front of it. But the engineer had to do a temporary repair. And then we were about to set off again when someone insisted on leaving the plane. And so their luggage had to be found. And by this time of course the plane had to wait a long time for its take-off slot. Anyway the flight home was uneventful and we got home from the airport reasonably quickly, although several hours later than expected. But then when we were unpacking we discovered that we had someone else's cabin bag. I'd asked Jacob to get the cabin bag from the overhead locker and I'd assumed he'd checked it was the right one ...

No names on the bag, but ours had been properly labelled and I got a call from the people who had our bag this morning. So Mr SandDune had to drive 50 miles to ho and do a bag swap this afternoon.

72humouress
Jul 25, 6:15 am

>71 SandDune: Sounds annoying, but at least it was a short haul flight. And I keep rediscovering the hard way that it's best to double check when you ask teenage sons to do something :0)

73atozgrl
Jul 25, 6:14 pm

>71 SandDune: I'm so sorry to hear that you ran into so many problems on the return flight! At least the trip itself was a good one. I hope you're getting settled back in nicely.

74The_Hibernator
Jul 26, 2:10 pm

>59 SandDune: The MN Vasaloppet is in Mora, MN and is the same length. I skiied it a few times in my heyday.

75SandDune
Jul 26, 2:38 pm

Some highlights of our time in Stockholm, which really is a lovely city:

Vasa Museum: The final resting place of the Swedish flagship Vasa which sank on its maiden voyage in 1628 after only 30 minutes. It was refloated in 1961 in an incredible state of preservation (no ship worms in the Baltic apparently).





Stockholm City Hall Absolutely beautiful building built in the early twentieth century:





Stockholm Archipelago: Thousands of islands - we took a ferry to one of the islands and spent a few hours sunning ourselves on the rocks and swimming. I'd love to spend more time exploring this area if we ever go back to Stockholm:

76SandDune
Jul 26, 2:44 pm

>72 humouress: it's best to double check when you ask teenage sons to do something - except he's 23!

>73 atozgrl: Everything sorted out at home now!

>74 The_Hibernator: That sounds a great achievement!

77Caroline_McElwee
Jul 26, 3:27 pm

>75 SandDune: Ooo, I would love to see that great ship.

Sorry your journey home was frustrating Rhian, but glad you had such a good break.

78SandDune
Jul 27, 3:28 am

>77 Caroline_McElwee: It was so impressive - just incredible how much had survived and how big it was. And the surrounding museum was equally interesting.

79SandDune
Jul 27, 3:39 am

Well, we will be officially empty nesters in a couple of weeks time. Seems like Jacob and Caroline have found a place to live and he will be moving out in a couple of weeks. Only to Hertford, which is about 12 miles away, but still …

He is going to come home again for 10 days though (when we go on our cruise) to look after Daisy. I’m not sure if I’ve mentioned the cruise? It’s a slightly complicated and rather sad situation. As I know I have mentioned previously, my brother-in-law has terminal cancer. Quite some time ago he and my sister had booked a round Britain cruise (they used to go on a lot of cruises) but his prognosis was not good and the doctors did not expect him to live more than a few months once treatment stopped. So my sister thought that she would be on her own by the time the cruise came along and asked me to go with her. But of course, my brother-in-law has exceeded expectations and is still with us, so my sister will now not be able to travel. So she has transferred her booking to Mr SandDune. So I am going on the full 2 week cruise and Mr SandDune is joining for the first 10 days and then getting off in Montrose (in Scotland) as he will have to go back to work for the start of term.

80Caroline_McElwee
Jul 27, 5:47 am

>79 SandDune: Well the cruise sounds like an opportunity to relax after the year you have had Rhian, if a poignant one. I hooe your B-i-L is as comfortable as possible.

81FAMeulstee
Jul 27, 7:20 am

>75 SandDune: Impressive, Rhian, both the ship and the City Hall.

>79 SandDune: Wishing Jacob and Caroline good luck in their new home!
The cruise sounds nice. Enjoy it, although there is a sad conotation with it...

82richardderus
Jul 27, 8:57 am

>79 SandDune: Makng the best of a very sad situation, Rhian, is very much a You thing to do.

I hope you'll both enjoy the cruise.

83SandDune
Jul 27, 1:30 pm

>80 Caroline_McElwee: >81 FAMeulstee: >82 richardderus: Thanks for the good wishes. My brother-in-law is at home, but getting weaker ...

I had a pleasant couple of hours this afternoon. My mother's cousin Margaret and her husband came over to visit my mother, and then called in to see us. They were visiting friends in England but it was still quite a long way out of their way and I really appreciated that they had taken the time. And it was nice to have a chat - she is the only relative that I know from my grandmother's side of the family. Although Margaret is my mother's first cousin, age differences mean that she's only 10 years older than me. Her mother was my mother's aunt, but was actually several years younger than my mother!

84BLBera
Jul 27, 2:00 pm

Stockholm looks fascinating, Rhian. I love the photo of the ship.

Good luck to Jacob!

Enjoy the cruise.

85SandDune
Jul 27, 3:43 pm

41. We Know You Remember Tove Alsterdal ****
42. You Will Never Be Found Tove Alsterdal ***1/2






Two excellent crime novels set in the High Coast area of Sweden.

In We Know You Remember Olaf Hagström returns to the house where his estranged father lives, a house he has not been back to for twenty-three years since he was taken away as a teenager, accused of the murder of a local girl. He doesn't mean to go in, but something seems wrong, and Olaf lets himself in to find his father dead in the bath, having clearly been murdered.

Police Assistant Eira Sjödin is the first on the scene and Olaf is the obvious suspect. After all, he's already murdered one person. But the case proves more complicated than it first appears and events of the past reach out to damage the lives of more than one character. And what possible part could Eira's own family have played in the events of all those years ago ...

You Will Never Be Found continues the story of Eira Sjödin as she investigates the case of a man left to die of starvation in the cellar of an abandoned house.

Both of these are well worth reading for anyone, and have a great sense of place in an area a long way north of Stockholm. In particular they both provided some interesting background for my recent trip to Sweden. Looks like there might be a third in the series, and I'll definitely be reading that.

One thing that really irritated me about the translation though - the temperatures were all translated to Fahrenheit and I really don't get the logic of doing this. It wasn't an international type book at all - it was very specific to a particular area of Sweden - and there were several references about things specific to Swedish culture that I didn't understand and had to look up. So why bother changing the temperatures? Surely the fact that temperatures are measured in Celsius is part of setting the scene in a specific location.

86PawsforThought
Jul 27, 5:26 pm

Oh, wow! I didn’t Alsterdal’s books were translated. That series is set in my neck of the woods, and my mum’s family is from the town it’s set in.

Any questions you have about the Swedish peculiarities- just ask!

87richardderus
Jul 27, 5:51 pm

>85 SandDune: It appears that Harper commissioned the English translations, so they're more US-centric. Say "Celsius" to most US citizens and at best you'll get a blank look and at worst a screed on the evil lizard people taking over the world.

88SandDune
Jul 28, 2:20 am

>86 PawsforThought: The things I had to look up were ‘EPA-tractors’ and ‘snus’. No idea of what either of those were when I read about them first! Is it a good portrayal of the area? One of the things I liked about the book was it very much seemed to talking about a real place and real people.

>87 richardderus: But Americans must know that other countries use Celsius rather than Fahrenheit, don’t they? What about in science lessons at school - do you still use Fahrenheit in those? If I was reading a book about the U.S. and it used Celsius that would feel equally wrong because I know that it wasn’t what would actually be used? And this book is so obviously not set in Kansas it just seems a weird decision to make.

89PawsforThought
Jul 28, 2:29 am

>88 SandDune: I haven’t read the books myself but my mums very fond of them and I haven’t heard anything negative about them.
EPA tractors are the scourge of any moderately rural area with teenagers in it. The people who drive them love them and everyone else hates them. Snus is very, very common, especially here in the north. It’s dangerous, of course, but at least it doesn’t ruin the air around you like smoking does (I was reminded of this when I went abroad because wow, people still smoke a lot in other countries). I do not recommend trying it because it’s foul, and apparently harder to quit than smoking.

90SandDune
Jul 28, 2:59 am

>89 PawsforThought: Mr SandDune and Jacob saw one of the EPA tractors in Mora, and their initial thoughts were why does that vehicle look so strange and why is it driving so slowly. But once we’d read the book (Mr SandDune really enjoyed it too) it made sense.

And I don’t think I’ll be trying the snus. I’ve got to 62 without any nicotine products at all … And apparently they are illegal here and most of the rest of Europe anyway!

I tend to notice how few people smoke in the U.K. these days. Apparently it’s 13% in England overall, but in my area in about 9.5%. And these days because of the demographics of who is doing the smoking, I don’t actually know anyone personally who smokes.

91laytonwoman3rd
Jul 28, 10:24 am

I'm intrigued by the Swedish crime series. Other than the temperature conversion (and I totally agree with you---anyone who is reading such a book certainly knows they don't use the F scale there), did you find the translation felt natural? My difficulty with Nordic fiction often is that I have no idea how to properly pronounce the names, so I "stub my reading toe", so to speak, every time one appears.

92ArlieS
Edited: Jul 28, 10:43 am

>76 SandDune: Late bloomer, eh? ;-)

>79 SandDune: Virtual hugs (if appreciated) and condolences on your brother-in-law's terminal illness.

93PawsforThought
Jul 28, 10:42 am

>91 laytonwoman3rd: I will extend the offer I made Rhian to you and anyone else who has questions about Sweden, Swedish things and Swedish pronunciations to feel free to ask me. This will extend to other Nordic countries too, with the caveat that I am not from any of the other Nordic countries and thus my knowledge is not as good.

94laytonwoman3rd
Jul 28, 11:01 am

>93 PawsforThought: Ah....you took my hint! I appreciate that offer, as I have just ordered a copy of the first in the Alsterdal series. I will begin by asking you how to pronounce Eira Sjödin. (I think I'm OK with Olaf!)

95PawsforThought
Jul 28, 11:42 am

>94 laytonwoman3rd: Well, you asked for it so here it is.
Eira = Ey-rah. Emphasis on first syllable.
Sj is pronounced like sh in English, the Ö like I in “girl”, and din is like “deen”. Emphasis on the second syllable (deen).
Is the name actually Olaf? Unusual in Sweden as that’s the Norwegian version of the name. In Sweden it’s usually Olof (O instead of A). And it’s not pronounced how you probably think it is. It’s “Oolovv” (long vowel on first syllable, short vowel on second syllable). Emphasis depends on where you’re from (first syllable = northerner, both syllables = southerner, no one emphasises on just the second syllable).
If it is Olaf then same rules except Oolavv.

96laytonwoman3rd
Jul 28, 1:12 pm

>95 PawsforThought: Thank you...very clear! I see in the book's description it does spell the name Olof, and I will try not to be corrupted by my grandnieces' obsession with Frozen characters.

97BLBera
Jul 28, 1:28 pm

Great comments on the Alsterdal novels, Rhian. I will look for those.

98SandDune
Jul 28, 1:41 pm

>91 laytonwoman3rd: I thought it was a very good translation generally - I didn’t notice it at all.

>92 ArlieS: He’s really good at some things but maybe not as careful at others!

>94 laytonwoman3rd: >95 PawsforThought: I’ve been pronouncing Eira slightly wrong in my head then. I’ve been thinking Eye-rra, largely because this is a common Welsh word (meaning snow).

99PawsforThought
Jul 28, 2:46 pm

>96 laytonwoman3rd: Ah, it was Frozen that did it!

>98 SandDune: The R-pronunciation you’ve used is probably closer to the real thing than most English-speakers, because Swedish R is more tip-of-the-tongue than English R. And I believe Welsh has a similar R, unless I’m sorely mistaken. But the “eye” sound would be spelt “aj” or “ai” in Swedish. Eira is an Old Norse name, from Eir - goddess of medical things. The internet tells me the name/word means peace or mercy (no similarity with the modern words for these things).

100SandDune
Edited: Jul 31, 10:30 am

>96 laytonwoman3rd: >97 BLBera: Both myself and Mr SandDune enjoyed the books, so I strongly recommend them.

We all went to see Oppenheimer last night (me, Mr SandDune, Jacob, Caroline, and Caroline's father and sister). We all enjoyed it, although I did think it could do with an edit and got a bit confused with the large cast of characters. Led to a very esoteric discussion between Jacob and Mr SandDune this morning about the geopolitical situation after WWII, to which I could not contribute at all.

101SandDune
Edited: Jul 31, 11:06 am

43. Beartown Fredrik Backmann**1/2



My foray into Swedish authors continues, but this one wasn't as successful as the last two.

Beartown is a down at heel town in the north of Sweden - a town where the local ice hockey team means everything to the local community. And for the first time in years the junior team has an exceptional player and is on the brink of winning the national championship. If they win, money will flow into the town with a new hockey academy but if they lose Beartown will continue its downward slide into post-industrial oblivion. And then on the day of the crucial match, Kevin, their star player, is arrested ...

So why didn't I like this one so much? Unlike the Tove Alsterdal novels Beartown never seems like a real place, and its inhabitants never seem like real people. In fact the book reads like a fable, which could be set anywhere cold and snowy which plays ice hockey. That would work for me if it was more of a feel-good book, but it most definitely is not: some very unpleasant things happen indeed. And because of that I needed more realism. The book tries to deal with some imports themes, sexual violence and male teenage culture being among them, but it didn't work for me.

102PawsforThought
Jul 31, 11:15 am

>101 SandDune: It is interesting that you don’t feel that Beartown felt real, as it is based on a real place (the town I grew up in, actually) and the events featured are based on real events.
I haven’t read any of Bachman’s books so I have no idea how the books are, though.

103SandDune
Jul 31, 11:41 am

>102 PawsforThought: Oh that's interesting! I wasn't that I didn't think the events could happen - it was more that Bachman's portrayal didn't make it seem real, if that makes sense. I think there's something in his style of writing (or maybe the translation) that makes it seem not quite the real world.

104Familyhistorian
Aug 2, 12:25 am

My library has both of the books by Tove Alsterdal. Thanks for putting them on my radar, Rhian. I'll try not to let the temperatures in Fahrenheit throw me off. Looks like you had a wonderful exploration on your vacation and great news about Jacob's first.

105SandDune
Edited: Aug 2, 7:53 am

We had a little trip to Cambridge yesterday. I had to visit the Apple shop to get a new battery for my phone and we took the opportunity for a visit to Heffers bookshop. Heffers was a little disorganised as they are apparently redistributing the stock between themselves and Waterstones, the other large book shop in Cambridge (who also own Heffers). Apparently, Heffers is going to focus more on academic and non-fiction, while Waterstones will focus on fiction. Any way I bought some books:

Time Shelter
Cornerstones: Wild Forces that can change our world Benedict MacDonald
Nature’s Warnings: Classic Stories of Eco-Science Fiction

106The_Hibernator
Aug 2, 12:31 pm

Love the pictures!

107SandDune
Aug 5, 2:32 pm

>104 Familyhistorian: I Hope you enjoy them!

>106 The_Hibernator: Thank you!

We have everything sorted out for the cruise in a few weeks time now. The booking has been transferred to our names and Mr SandDune has confirmed that he will be able to get off in Montrose (where there is a train station) on the Sunday to get back to work on Monday morning. Surprisingly, there is a direct train from Montrose to London, but it's still going to take a long time for him to get home. I'll be continuing on the cruise until it gets back to Portsmouth the following Thursday. I just hope the weather improves a bit before the end of August. While southern Europe has been having a massive heatwave we most definitely haven't, and it has been very wet. It's not been exactly cold usually (although it was only 13°C at lunchtime today) but certainly not warm.

108richardderus
Aug 17, 11:19 am

>107 SandDune: Here's hoping for at least 20C on your cruise!

109Sakerfalcon
Aug 18, 7:26 am

Your trip to Sweden looks and sounds wonderful! I've had to add it to my wishlist of places to visit, after trying to resist because I know it's expensive. I will be making my first trip to Scandinavia next month, with a long weekend in Copenhagen and I'm really looking forward to it.

I hope you enjoy the cruise, although the reason you're going is bittersweet.

110Caroline_McElwee
Sep 7, 11:43 am

Did your cruise go well Rhian?

111richardderus
Sep 7, 12:55 pm

General-purpose *smooch*

112Caroline_McElwee
Sep 7, 2:53 pm

113PaulCranswick
Sep 11, 8:28 am

>107 SandDune: Am I mistaken or wasn't MrSandDune planning to take retirement sometime soon?

114humouress
Oct 13, 12:47 am

Just waving *hello*

115vancouverdeb
Oct 13, 12:54 am

Sorry to read about your BiL, Rhian. I hope the cruise went well.

>85 SandDune: The Swedish books look very interesting. I'll have to see if they are available around my part of the world.

116Caroline_McElwee
Oct 13, 4:26 am

Adding to the waves Rhian.

117The_Hibernator
Oct 13, 12:16 pm

Hi Rhian!

118richardderus
Yesterday, 2:27 pm

Cruising (ooof) past to wave and wish the SandDune clan a happy fall!